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1. The dead surround the living. The living are the core of the dead. In that core are the dimensions of time and space. What surrounds the core is timelessness.
2. Between the core and its surroundings there are exchanges, which are not usually clear. All religions have been concerned with making them clearer. The credibility of religion depends on the clarity of certain unusual exchanges. The mystifications of religion are the result of trying to systematically produce such exchanges.
3. The rarity of clear exchange is due to the rarity of what can cross intact the frontier between timelessness and time.
4. To see the dead as the individuals they once were tends to obscure their nature. Try to consider the living as we might assume the dead to do collectively. The collective would accrue not only across space but also throughout time. It would include all those who have ever lived; yet the dead already include the living in their own great collective.
5.The dead inhabited a timeless moment of construction continuously rebegun. The construction is the state of the universe at any instant.
6. According to their memory of life, the dead know the moment of construction as, also, a moment of collapse. Having lived, the dead can never be inert.
7. If the dead live in a timeless moment, how can they have a memory? They remember no more than being thrown into time, as does everything which existed or exists.
8. The difference between the dead and the unborn is that the dead have this memory. As the number of dead increases, the memory enlarges.
9. The memory of the dead existing in timelessness may be thought of as a form of imagination concerning the possible. This imagination is close to (resides in) God; but I do not know how.
10. In the world of the living there is an equivalent but contrary phenomenon. The living sometimes experience timelessness, as revealed in sleep, ecstasy, instants of extreme danger, orgasm, and perhaps in the experience of dying itself. During these instants the living imagination covers the entire field of experience and overruns the contours of the individual life or death. It touches the waiting imagination of the dead.
11. What is the relation of the dead to what has not yet happened, to the future? All the future is the construction in which their "imagination" is engaged.
12. How do the living live with the dead? Until the dehumanization of society by capitalism, all the living awaited the experience of the dead. It was their ultimate future. By themselves the living were incomplete. Thus, living and dead were interdependent. Always. Only a uniquely modern form of egoism has broken this interdependence. With disastrous results for the living, who now think of the dead as the eliminated.
—John Berger
Hold Everything Dear
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Mind boggling! :)
ReplyDelete#2 - This seems to imply that the dead maintain their "identity" ? therefor are able to be communicated with ? But if the individual "wave" of the ocean dissolves into the Ocean (i.e. we dissolve into our Essence), then there wouldn't be an identity or "entity" to communicate with ? Guess it all depends on one's beliefs about the dead...
My great-grandparents were "Spiritualists", which I assume means they communicated with the dead. My mother died March 21 2019,the first day of Spring that year. "She" left me a robin's feather in August of that year - her favorite bird of Spring. My husband's mother "visited" us unbidden 2 weeks after her death - not as ghost, but clearly a felt sense of her presence was here. There was such a presence of Love! And she didn't even like me! Go figure. My mother clearly had a vision of her father standing at the foot of her bed shortly after he died, and told her he was ok... whoa...
Maybe there is a "Bardo" period, as the Buddhists believe, where the dead are "transitioning" to another "state" - and while transitioning they are still accessible to us ? I really have no clue... LOLOLOL
Interesting post :)
yes, i have been spending some time with it, lots to unravel :)
ReplyDeletemy sense is that the way we perceive life and living is, perhaps, the obstacle ...